Gendered language and the Swedish Wikipedia article for Marissa Mayer

(This is a guest post from Pernilla Alexandersson, the Operations manager at Add Gender and a chairman of the trade organization Gender Entrepreneurs in Sweden.)

The mood was high and the conversation passed in waves across the table when I entered an airy conference room at the Solidarity House in Stockholm, Sweden. A group of people was participating in the “Writing cottage on Ada Lovelace Day,” which took place on Wednesday, October 16. That day I learned that on the Swedish Wikipedia, there are four men for every woman who are portrayed at Wikipedia. While this gap is slowly decreasing, it takes a lot of work to change it.

Ada Day in Stockholm

Ada Day in Stockholm

As I expanded an article that another woman on the other side of the table just created in Swedish–about Yahoo!’s president Marissa Mayer–my brain creaked with effort, in a good way. Then I felt it: the wings of history, and when the article was updated, I was so proud! Despite its small mistakes, I was reassured by the the understanding that someone else will take over, perhaps more experienced than me, and expand the article! That’s the beauty of Wikipedia.

Among the many discussions we had as we edited, as a gender expert I was particularly interested in questions of the use of the Swedish terms “masculine” and “feminine.” In the English Wikipedia article for Mayer, it says she was Google’s “first female engineer.” How should I best translate that? In Swedish, we don’t have the perfect word for “female;” in Swedish “hona” refers to animals. So should I translate it as “A woman and an engineer?” or “Feminine engineer?” Is it even important to have this debate? Would anyone write “the first male engineer” for Google’s first employed engineer? Of course not. It is historically significant when the first woman enters a previously male-dominated area – and there’s the context!

In the categories for Wikipedia articles, it seems that the Swedish Wikipedia has solved the problem well: you can search for people by category:women or category:men. In English, “Mathematician” is generally about the mathematician, and there is a special subcategory on “Women in mathematics.” Not at all an optimal solution where women are anomalous and a subcategory of the implied main category: men.

As for the article in question, I strongly opposed the use of the Swedish “feminine” as an alternative to the English “female.” I sought advice in the Wikipedia style guide that evening, and I turned the whole article upside down and felt very proud when I came up with a nifty solution: “the first engineer who was also not a man.” This made me wonder how Wikipedians had written about men earlier. Do men get their personal life pointed out in their stories? Does anyone have the honor of being named as the “first man” in a given field? If you search for this in the Swedish Wikipedia, the result is striking. Over 800 hits for the phrase the “first woman” and a paltry 24 hits for the “first male.”

When men are the first to do something, is it not notable or interesting? Or the areas where women were first, are these the ones worth noting?

Our notions of gender and norms are extremely difficult to see without an outside perspective. Does Wikipedia’s accuracy suffer from the skewed gender distribution among its editors? There are many men who are editing; do they realize that they and society are more familiar with a canon consisting of men and therefore are unreflective about the gender dimension? Do they think about their motivations for selecting what items they translate, create or expand?

I think it’s good that we focus on the Wikipedia gender gap and try to improve it with initiatives like the events organized around Ada Lovelace Day. They increase awareness among Wikipedia editors of their own gender blindness related to what is important on Wikipedia. Our event was a success in numbers: we created or expanded over 20 articles; and I have now made myself a user name. It was also important because it encouraged interesting and instructive discussions.

For example, on the talk page about our project on Wikipedia, someone argued that it is problematic to say that women are “underrepresented,” that more men have meant something to the world’s history and that Wikipedia should be “gender neutral.” Clearly uneven historical narratives do not mean that women are less important to history, nor should Wikipedians be comfortable with this situation. We need to be a modern and knowledgeable group of contributors!

Alas, the morning after the event, I saw that the sentence that I edited, “the first engineer who was not also not a man” was changed back to “feminine engineer.” I immediately felt the desire to argue my case, which you can follow on the talk page of the Marissa Mayer article. We debated the issue and made further edits, finally coming up with a pretty good solution: “In 1999, Mayer was first woman to gain employment as an engineer at Google.”

I suppose only by continuing to edit and debate these issues will we decrease the gender gap on Wikipedia.

Pernilla Alexandersson, Gender Equality Expert, B.A. in Gender Studies and now Wikipedian: Pernillamia

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4 Comments on Gendered language and the Swedish Wikipedia article for Marissa Mayer

Niklas 2 years

The role of women in history has been neglected a long time. Back in 1879 the historian Heinrich von Treitschke stated “Men make history” (“Männer machen die Geschichte”).

History as an academic discipline, however, has developed since then. Nowadays, social history, gender history, etc. are established as sub-disciplines. You will hardly find any trained historian who would describe the influence of women in history as irrelevant.

Mark, you would recognize intellectual advancement since 1879, wouldn’t you?

Pernilla Alexandersson 2 years

Nemo: Thank you, interesting with the related discussion. Anyhow, then it should be consistent, in all cases, right?

Mark Wilson: I am quite sure that many modern historians do not agree that men have been benefited in 3000 years – One example is that the women entrepreneurs have decreased in Sweden the last 50 years and also that more and more museum starts to tell the stories of not only the war heroes but also the family life. It therefore depends on what you still expect that the favorable areas and which areas you choose to look closer at? And the fact remains, in the English Wikipedia are more women portrayed than in the Swedish, so the translation problem still remains.

I think it seems naive and ignorant to think that women have not played a role in the development of society in the last 3000 years.

Nemo 2 years

I don’t know why in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Scholars_and_academics_by_subject “Women in mathematics” is a subcategory of “Mathematicians” and so on; there’s also been a related discussion recently, it seems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_September_12#Categories:Women_by_occupation
Other projects, like Commons (but also Wikipedias in other languages), are more even: e.g. all the subcategories of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Females_by_country are at the same level as the corresponding male/men categories, as in https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Politicians_of_Albania

Mark Wilson 2 years

The issue with the “first man” v “first human” is that, whether we like it or not, men have had for around 3000 of recorded human history the advantage. In that time, the first person to do anything was invariably a man. It is still an ingrained reaction to add the female denominator because women are historically at a disadvantage.

Give it another hundred years and that reflex will have been memetically evolved out.

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