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		<title>Comment on Hola, Telefónica &#8211; Welcome to Wikimedia by martintoy</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/02/01/hola-telefonica-welcome-to-wikimedia/comment-page-1/#comment-2041</link>
		<dc:creator>martintoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 14:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the comments above, Im from Peru, I sincerely hope that Telefonica help to Wikimedia, I say this as an unsatisfied customer of telefonica and as a part of a LARGE comunity of unsatisfied customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the comments above, Im from Peru, I sincerely hope that Telefonica help to Wikimedia, I say this as an unsatisfied customer of telefonica and as a part of a LARGE comunity of unsatisfied customers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hola, Telefónica &#8211; Welcome to Wikimedia by Everton Zanella Alvarenga (aka Tom)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everton Zanella Alvarenga (aka Tom)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Wikipedia editors, please, let&#039;s improve telefónica articles at Wikipedia:

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telef%C3%B3nica (English)
- http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telef%C3%B3nica (Portuguese)
- http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telef%C3%B3nica (Spanish)

I&#039;ll try my best when I&#039;ve time. A lot of information is missing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Wikipedia editors, please, let&#8217;s improve telefónica articles at Wikipedia:</p>
<p>- <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telef%C3%B3nica" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telef%C3%B3nica</a> (English)<br />
- <a href="http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telef%C3%B3nica" rel="nofollow">http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telef%C3%B3nica</a> (Portuguese)<br />
- <a href="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telef%C3%B3nica" rel="nofollow">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telef%C3%B3nica</a> (Spanish)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try my best when I&#8217;ve time. A lot of information is missing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hola, Telefónica &#8211; Welcome to Wikimedia by Everton Zanella Alvarenga (aka Tom)</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/02/01/hola-telefonica-welcome-to-wikimedia/comment-page-1/#comment-2038</link>
		<dc:creator>Everton Zanella Alvarenga (aka Tom)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Kul,

then, please, when we have Wikimedia related t-shirts, give us a choise of at least one version *without* telefónica symbol. Until today, I do not use Wikimania t-shirt at Brazilian streets because there is a symbol of this company, which is a shame for me and for everybody who depends on its Internet and other communication services.

I wonder what kind of benefits telefónica will have with this partnership. My guess is using WMF brands (likely mainly Wikipedia) for its marketing purposes, instead of &quot;promoting education in Spanish and Portuguese languages&quot;. A company with a retrospect pointed by Alexandre Abdo is far from these aims, unfortunately. Finally, I really wouldn&#039;t like to have my volunteer work in *any* way related to this company.

Best wishes,

Tom [[user:everton137]]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Kul,</p>
<p>then, please, when we have Wikimedia related t-shirts, give us a choise of at least one version *without* telefónica symbol. Until today, I do not use Wikimania t-shirt at Brazilian streets because there is a symbol of this company, which is a shame for me and for everybody who depends on its Internet and other communication services.</p>
<p>I wonder what kind of benefits telefónica will have with this partnership. My guess is using WMF brands (likely mainly Wikipedia) for its marketing purposes, instead of &#8220;promoting education in Spanish and Portuguese languages&#8221;. A company with a retrospect pointed by Alexandre Abdo is far from these aims, unfortunately. Finally, I really wouldn&#8217;t like to have my volunteer work in *any* way related to this company.</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Tom [[user:everton137]]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hola, Telefónica &#8211; Welcome to Wikimedia by Kul</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/02/01/hola-telefonica-welcome-to-wikimedia/comment-page-1/#comment-2037</link>
		<dc:creator>Kul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We understand the concerns and we have always kept the in mind. Nothing changes on Wikipedia or the other projects. Telefonica, nor any other company has any influence on the content and management of the websites. Remember again: the community owns the projects and Telefonica is not going in to do anything to change the sites. Telefonica is providing more reach by the projects available through their own outlets and experimenting, with apps and functionality, in ways we can&#039;t (primarily due to lack of resources). Look at it this way: we have the chance to influence other companies, organizations, etc., in this movement and we want everyone involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We understand the concerns and we have always kept the in mind. Nothing changes on Wikipedia or the other projects. Telefonica, nor any other company has any influence on the content and management of the websites. Remember again: the community owns the projects and Telefonica is not going in to do anything to change the sites. Telefonica is providing more reach by the projects available through their own outlets and experimenting, with apps and functionality, in ways we can&#8217;t (primarily due to lack of resources). Look at it this way: we have the chance to influence other companies, organizations, etc., in this movement and we want everyone involved.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hola, Telefónica &#8211; Welcome to Wikimedia by Alexandre Hannud Abdo</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/02/01/hola-telefonica-welcome-to-wikimedia/comment-page-1/#comment-2036</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexandre Hannud Abdo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ni!

This is very strange.

Telefónica has a well deserved bad reputation for bad consumer service and unethical behavior.


In Brazil, they exploit a de facto monopoly, have outrageous prices, violate network neutrality, abuse their market dominance to harm smaller service providers, keep many cities without proper Internet access because they don&#039;t want to make investments even thought their national profits are over the roof, and do everything in their powers to counter public broadband initiatives.

Not to mention the Internet blackouts, plural, caused by precarious infrastructure, including last year leaving several hospitals, police stations and other essential public services offline for days and later admitting they actually work with 70% of the required capacity without any explanation as to why (except that they couldn&#039;t care less).

For all of the above there is public evidence, testimony or proof.

Also, given their outrageous prices and profits in Brazil and their relatively cheap (although also crappy) service in Europe, many people here suspect they drain latin-america, providing bad service for a high price, in order to make up for their losses in Europe. That means Telefónica is actually generating digital divide in Latin America to promote welfare in Europe.


I do not support this move from Wikimedia Foundation. That said, I&#039;m not against a partnership with Telefónica. I have worked with their foundation and I know a company that complex has people with good as well as bad demeanor, and Wikimedia could help get the best out of them. But, given their record, it clearly should go through a much more public and open process of discussion than what I see here.

As a contributor and donator, I feel bad that Wikimedia is taking this decision by itself without publicly consulting with people from the iberic and latin american contributor communities. At least in Brazil we were totally unaware of this.

Yours sincerely,

ale [[User:Solstag]]
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ni!</p>
<p>This is very strange.</p>
<p>Telefónica has a well deserved bad reputation for bad consumer service and unethical behavior.</p>
<p>In Brazil, they exploit a de facto monopoly, have outrageous prices, violate network neutrality, abuse their market dominance to harm smaller service providers, keep many cities without proper Internet access because they don&#8217;t want to make investments even thought their national profits are over the roof, and do everything in their powers to counter public broadband initiatives.</p>
<p>Not to mention the Internet blackouts, plural, caused by precarious infrastructure, including last year leaving several hospitals, police stations and other essential public services offline for days and later admitting they actually work with 70% of the required capacity without any explanation as to why (except that they couldn&#8217;t care less).</p>
<p>For all of the above there is public evidence, testimony or proof.</p>
<p>Also, given their outrageous prices and profits in Brazil and their relatively cheap (although also crappy) service in Europe, many people here suspect they drain latin-america, providing bad service for a high price, in order to make up for their losses in Europe. That means Telefónica is actually generating digital divide in Latin America to promote welfare in Europe.</p>
<p>I do not support this move from Wikimedia Foundation. That said, I&#8217;m not against a partnership with Telefónica. I have worked with their foundation and I know a company that complex has people with good as well as bad demeanor, and Wikimedia could help get the best out of them. But, given their record, it clearly should go through a much more public and open process of discussion than what I see here.</p>
<p>As a contributor and donator, I feel bad that Wikimedia is taking this decision by itself without publicly consulting with people from the iberic and latin american contributor communities. At least in Brazil we were totally unaware of this.</p>
<p>Yours sincerely,</p>
<p>ale [[User:Solstag]]<br />
~~</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hola, Telefónica &#8211; Welcome to Wikimedia by Raul Campos</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/02/01/hola-telefonica-welcome-to-wikimedia/comment-page-1/#comment-2035</link>
		<dc:creator>Raul Campos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello i am rautopia, I also agree with my fellow media Brazil, the phone is known for its monopoly and disrespect for its customers in Brazil, this partnership should be done if done very carefully ... Sorry for my bad writing in English.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello i am rautopia, I also agree with my fellow media Brazil, the phone is known for its monopoly and disrespect for its customers in Brazil, this partnership should be done if done very carefully &#8230; Sorry for my bad writing in English.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hola, Telefónica &#8211; Welcome to Wikimedia by Paulino Michelazzo</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/02/01/hola-telefonica-welcome-to-wikimedia/comment-page-1/#comment-2034</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulino Michelazzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Telefónica has a huge Latin American audience&quot;. No, Telefónica has a huge Latin American number of problems. Every brazilian newspaper can show it easily. Security problems, call-center problems, consumers problems, every kind of problem that a company can have, they have in Brazil.

I&#039;m afraid with this deal and I think that every brazilian user of Wikimedia projects feel the same.

Sad news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Telefónica has a huge Latin American audience&#8221;. No, Telefónica has a huge Latin American number of problems. Every brazilian newspaper can show it easily. Security problems, call-center problems, consumers problems, every kind of problem that a company can have, they have in Brazil.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid with this deal and I think that every brazilian user of Wikimedia projects feel the same.</p>
<p>Sad news.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hola, Telefónica &#8211; Welcome to Wikimedia by Gallaecio</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/02/01/hola-telefonica-welcome-to-wikimedia/comment-page-1/#comment-2033</link>
		<dc:creator>Gallaecio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Telefónica is not that good in any Country. ─Spanish Guy (who left Telefónica).

And I agree about the libre software comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Telefónica is not that good in any Country. ─Spanish Guy (who left Telefónica).</p>
<p>And I agree about the libre software comment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hola, Telefónica &#8211; Welcome to Wikimedia by Austregêsio</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/02/01/hola-telefonica-welcome-to-wikimedia/comment-page-1/#comment-2032</link>
		<dc:creator>Austregêsio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nós brasileiros acreditamos que a Telefônica dara uma grande ajuda a Wikimedia. Todos nós percebemos o imenso salto nas telecomunicações que a empresa deu ao país, substituindo as ultra-ineficientes empresas estatais do passado. Eu levei mais de dois ano para comprar um telefone da Telesp e fora as inúmeros ligações de DDD que nunca fiz e que sempre religiosamente paguei, para não perder o meu telefone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nós brasileiros acreditamos que a Telefônica dara uma grande ajuda a Wikimedia. Todos nós percebemos o imenso salto nas telecomunicações que a empresa deu ao país, substituindo as ultra-ineficientes empresas estatais do passado. Eu levei mais de dois ano para comprar um telefone da Telesp e fora as inúmeros ligações de DDD que nunca fiz e que sempre religiosamente paguei, para não perder o meu telefone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hola, Telefónica &#8211; Welcome to Wikimedia by Peteca</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/02/01/hola-telefonica-welcome-to-wikimedia/comment-page-1/#comment-2031</link>
		<dc:creator>Peteca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aqui no Brasil, Telefonica num é tão boa quanto tá escrito aí em cima não...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aqui no Brasil, Telefonica num é tão boa quanto tá escrito aí em cima não&#8230;</p>
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