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		<title>By: Se le subieron los humos a la cabeza o su sistema de depuraci&#243;n es fr&#225;gil : &#191;Wiki&#8221;freaks&#8221;? &#124; De Copy &#38; Paste II</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/04/15/neweditorsquality/comment-page-1/#comment-7079</link>
		<dc:creator>Se le subieron los humos a la cabeza o su sistema de depuraci&#243;n es fr&#225;gil : &#191;Wiki&#8221;freaks&#8221;? &#124; De Copy &#38; Paste II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 13:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] La Wikipedia tiene un alto porcentaje de artículos de mala calidad, según se encontró en un nuevo análisis que realizó la Wikimedia Foundation. Estos artículos de mala calidad en Wikipedia se han incrementado en estos últimos años, en cambio los artículos meticulosamente realizados con buena calidad representan un porcentaje muy bajo en esta enciclopedia electrónica. La Wikipedia fue adquiriendo reconocimiento mientras se desarrollaba, gracias a su contenido y a la colaboración de usuarios que mantenían el sitio y lo llenaban de información para que los usuarios pudieran obtener información de todo tipo de temas y no solo eso, los mismo usuarios pueden agregar y aumentar el contenido ya publicado, enriqueciendo la información para todos. Actualmente la situación es muy diferente. Los artículos de poca calidad son calificados como artículos vandálicos y estos han incrementado en los últimos años. En el año de 2004 este tipo de artículos representaban un porcentaje muy poco, casi inexistente, en cambio en este año representa un poco más del 23% del total de los artículos publicados en Wikipedia, según el reporte en wikimediafoundation. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] La Wikipedia tiene un alto porcentaje de artículos de mala calidad, según se encontró en un nuevo análisis que realizó la Wikimedia Foundation. Estos artículos de mala calidad en Wikipedia se han incrementado en estos últimos años, en cambio los artículos meticulosamente realizados con buena calidad representan un porcentaje muy bajo en esta enciclopedia electrónica. La Wikipedia fue adquiriendo reconocimiento mientras se desarrollaba, gracias a su contenido y a la colaboración de usuarios que mantenían el sitio y lo llenaban de información para que los usuarios pudieran obtener información de todo tipo de temas y no solo eso, los mismo usuarios pueden agregar y aumentar el contenido ya publicado, enriqueciendo la información para todos. Actualmente la situación es muy diferente. Los artículos de poca calidad son calificados como artículos vandálicos y estos han incrementado en los últimos años. En el año de 2004 este tipo de artículos representaban un porcentaje muy poco, casi inexistente, en cambio en este año representa un poco más del 23% del total de los artículos publicados en Wikipedia, según el reporte en wikimediafoundation. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ecemaml@es.wikipedia</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/04/15/neweditorsquality/comment-page-1/#comment-6989</link>
		<dc:creator>ecemaml@es.wikipedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As usual, a piece of news that does not refer to Wikipedia but actually to the English Wikipedia. Would it be possible for the Foundation not to behave as the English Wikipedia chapter?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, a piece of news that does not refer to Wikipedia but actually to the English Wikipedia. Would it be possible for the Foundation not to behave as the English Wikipedia chapter?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/04/15/neweditorsquality/comment-page-1/#comment-6961</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 16:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jane, 

That would be interesting just to look at edits, but since our project was done in order to support identifying and mentoring new editors with accounts, it would not serve our purposes well. We kept in mind the change in the ability of anonymous IP editors to create pages, which is why I didn&#039;t focus in the post on the change in the percent of vandalism. I agree that it&#039;s probably why there is such a difference in the number of vandal accounts that registered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, </p>
<p>That would be interesting just to look at edits, but since our project was done in order to support identifying and mentoring new editors with accounts, it would not serve our purposes well. We kept in mind the change in the ability of anonymous IP editors to create pages, which is why I didn&#8217;t focus in the post on the change in the percent of vandalism. I agree that it&#8217;s probably why there is such a difference in the number of vandal accounts that registered.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/04/15/neweditorsquality/comment-page-1/#comment-6939</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting charts! You forgot to mention however, that unregistered users cannot create pages today, but they could create pages back in 2004, so technically your sample should include the new pages from unregistered users in 2004 as well. This also impacts the sample because I think users who are registering are less likely to be vandals. A better sample would be 1000 random edits in-a-row, comparing 2004 to today. I bet that would show some interesting results percentage-wise regarding content-based edits vs talk-page or techie edits (template changes etc).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting charts! You forgot to mention however, that unregistered users cannot create pages today, but they could create pages back in 2004, so technically your sample should include the new pages from unregistered users in 2004 as well. This also impacts the sample because I think users who are registering are less likely to be vandals. A better sample would be 1000 random edits in-a-row, comparing 2004 to today. I bet that would show some interesting results percentage-wise regarding content-based edits vs talk-page or techie edits (template changes etc).</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/04/15/neweditorsquality/comment-page-1/#comment-6936</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 16:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Felipe,

Just to answer your second suggestion: no, we&#039;re not really looking at editor retention comparatively over the years, since we&#039;re already pretty clear about those from the Editor Trends Study. I do think that Philippe and James are tracking retention of editors selected for mentorship by WikiGuides though. The same goes for matching &quot;unacceptable&quot; edits and reverts by the community; we really just wanted to look at quality of newbie edits, so we stuck to that for last week&#039;s experiment.

Thanks for your comments, they are all super insightful!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Felipe,</p>
<p>Just to answer your second suggestion: no, we&#8217;re not really looking at editor retention comparatively over the years, since we&#8217;re already pretty clear about those from the Editor Trends Study. I do think that Philippe and James are tracking retention of editors selected for mentorship by WikiGuides though. The same goes for matching &#8220;unacceptable&#8221; edits and reverts by the community; we really just wanted to look at quality of newbie edits, so we stuck to that for last week&#8217;s experiment.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments, they are all super insightful!</p>
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		<title>By: Felipe Ortega</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/04/15/neweditorsquality/comment-page-1/#comment-6933</link>
		<dc:creator>Felipe Ortega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi there!

Nice findings. I also agree with the previous comments in that more info about the quality classification criteria would be great to put these results in context.

Suggestions: 

1. It would be nice to increase a bit the size of the sample (although there is a trade-off with number of edits that can be assessed through manual inspection).  

2. Do you plan to measure % of retention of editors according to outcome of the first edit? This might spot some light on the potential influence of first experience with the project to keep on contributing.

Quick question: is there a match between non-acceptable edits and reverts? That is, did you evaluated the edits independently or is this just what wikipedia editors decided about this first-time contributions?

Thanks for sharing!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there!</p>
<p>Nice findings. I also agree with the previous comments in that more info about the quality classification criteria would be great to put these results in context.</p>
<p>Suggestions: </p>
<p>1. It would be nice to increase a bit the size of the sample (although there is a trade-off with number of edits that can be assessed through manual inspection).  </p>
<p>2. Do you plan to measure % of retention of editors according to outcome of the first edit? This might spot some light on the potential influence of first experience with the project to keep on contributing.</p>
<p>Quick question: is there a match between non-acceptable edits and reverts? That is, did you evaluated the edits independently or is this just what wikipedia editors decided about this first-time contributions?</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing!!</p>
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		<title>By: Alek Tarkowski</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/04/15/neweditorsquality/comment-page-1/#comment-6918</link>
		<dc:creator>Alek Tarkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello,
I think it would help to justify your sampling choices if you based them on some clear sampling methodology. Then you could state with certainty that your results are valid, with some margin of error.

With regard to the study itself - I think this data becomes meaningful only when compared with the quality of edits of editors who are no longer new. Maybe they are also vandals?

Finally, I agree with comments above that a simple 1-5 does not suffice: how do you compare a significant edit to a small - but factually correct - correction, and that to a spelling edit? Also, have you used multiple coders to evaluate the edits?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br />
I think it would help to justify your sampling choices if you based them on some clear sampling methodology. Then you could state with certainty that your results are valid, with some margin of error.</p>
<p>With regard to the study itself &#8211; I think this data becomes meaningful only when compared with the quality of edits of editors who are no longer new. Maybe they are also vandals?</p>
<p>Finally, I agree with comments above that a simple 1-5 does not suffice: how do you compare a significant edit to a small &#8211; but factually correct &#8211; correction, and that to a spelling edit? Also, have you used multiple coders to evaluate the edits?</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Kandalgaonkar</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/04/15/neweditorsquality/comment-page-1/#comment-6916</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Kandalgaonkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 00:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very interesting results. I think both graphs are interesting in that the vast majority of edits are acceptable, whether in 2004 or 2011. And that the graph didn&#039;t move significantly away from that center.

I redrew the data as a &lt;a href=&quot;http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Edits_by_Wikipedia_newbies,_2004_and_2011.png&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bar chart&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s easier to see the differences and similarities between the two data sets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting results. I think both graphs are interesting in that the vast majority of edits are acceptable, whether in 2004 or 2011. And that the graph didn&#8217;t move significantly away from that center.</p>
<p>I redrew the data as a <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Edits_by_Wikipedia_newbies,_2004_and_2011.png" rel="nofollow">bar chart</a>. It&#8217;s easier to see the differences and similarities between the two data sets.</p>
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		<title>By: elya</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/04/15/neweditorsquality/comment-page-1/#comment-6912</link>
		<dc:creator>elya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this work. You answered a bit of it in the last post, however it would be nice to know what were the measures of quality for each of the classifications? I know that opinions about what is „acceptable“ may vary a lot between Wikipedians. And it would be very interesting to compare different language versions. Thanks + regards, elya]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this work. You answered a bit of it in the last post, however it would be nice to know what were the measures of quality for each of the classifications? I know that opinions about what is „acceptable“ may vary a lot between Wikipedians. And it would be very interesting to compare different language versions. Thanks + regards, elya</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/04/15/neweditorsquality/comment-page-1/#comment-6910</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 16:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great question Paul. Any edit that followed Wikipedia content policy and style was considered acceptable at least. So even if you just fixed spelling or grammar, that was classified as acceptable as far as our study goes. 

Wikipedia has a long tradition of encouraging &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiGnome&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WikiGnomes&lt;/a&gt;&quot; which mostly do these kinds of edits, so it&#039;s a widely recognized kind of contribution in the community, even if we don&#039;t always talk about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great question Paul. Any edit that followed Wikipedia content policy and style was considered acceptable at least. So even if you just fixed spelling or grammar, that was classified as acceptable as far as our study goes. </p>
<p>Wikipedia has a long tradition of encouraging &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiGnome" rel="nofollow">WikiGnomes</a>&#8221; which mostly do these kinds of edits, so it&#8217;s a widely recognized kind of contribution in the community, even if we don&#8217;t always talk about it.</p>
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